Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. His forum name is SG Motorsports. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. Remember that according to any 400E/E420 owner, it is 90% of a 500E !! Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. Wow, Thanks for all the info. Alright, putting a 94 M104 into a 89 2.6 5spd W201 (Green/Black). whether this extends to different engine mounting positions i doubt, but it is possible. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. It barely sticks now when floored. Not needed anyhow. I was just giving you a hard time. In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! Lower hose is only about 20cm long. I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. What can be done and how much will it cost? There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. Haven't taken it to the track yet but I know it has over 220bhp. I think if you're looking for a fast 124, you have a bunch of options that'll be cheaper than swapping a v8 into an I6 car. So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. Mercedes M104 make a good tuning project and with carefully chosen sports modifications like remapping, turbo upgrades and camshafts you will substantially increase your driving opportunities. The alternator for the W124 will work, but the wires will be kinked in an unnatural position. The steering box is in fact in a different location on the M102 cars versus the 6-cylinder M103 cars. Let's see .. Palli, you're in the correct forum. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! I would reduce the length by half a centimeter. 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. VIN: WDBEA34EXSC224807 FIN: WDB1240341C224807 Engine no. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. What did you need to do to convert the coils from the three coils and three wires to six individual invention coils on the m104 engine? you have a diamond in the rough. AMG would be nice and or a V8. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. Therefore, nothing but good old venerable striahgt 6s. It has a double overhead cam design with 4 valves per cylinder, and used a crossflow cylinder head. Don't tear into the 190e yet, I would like to purchase it from you ! changing the clutch and pulling out m104 engine on my 2.0 W201 190Eswap,320e,e320,w124,m104,m104 3.2,mercedes-benz,plasme cutting,mercedes,,190,190e,. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v Read More Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six 1994 Mercedes Wagon with a Turbo LSx - Part 14 July 9, 2018 W124 This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? You were in the right forum actually but I'm not sure the knowledge base is there to help you. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. My typo error corrected (w210 ===>w201). The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I guess a V8 it sorta out of the questionand seems kinda pointless. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? You must log in or register to reply here. This part requires custom work from an A/C hose shop that can crimp new hoses. Mercedes w203 Engine Swap "The Plan" (Pt.1) M271|M104|M111 Ricer Benz 4.27K subscribers Join Subscribe 143 Share 10K views 2 years ago M111 turbo Video link :. If you really want to get speed though, deff change the brakes. these are quite uncommon. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. How much power can you get out of the 16v? I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. i'll trade you my 87 parts car (engine and trans and body in tact) and a 5spd +shifter assy for you to tear apart and modify for your 2.6 5-spd see everyone wins!! Since then the car has seen a lot of action. M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. i dont think i need to do anything to the firewall. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. Probably $15k min, but you'd have a torque monster that'd be just as interesting (or more) than a V8 S124. The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! Front of block: 350SDL "Diesel" crank (Now not just limited to L series fun for strokers!) JavaScript is disabled. . The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. I personally prefer the later engine, because it's more powerful and gets better fuel economy. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. Mrten will lower the power to around 860 whp while . I would like to put an engine in mine that puts out at leat 300maybe 255+. Quote: Originally Posted by oldsinner111. I've always wondered why people make the wagons accept V8s when it might be easier to make the sedan a wagon (shooting brake, if you will). CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. Sweden for a dyno tune. As a side note, the block has over 150k on it and the bores are still within a thou of origional specs, there are no ring marks at the top and you can still see the factory cross-hatch. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. Power is sent through a 4-inch driveshaft to a BMW E34 differential modified to fit the factory Mercedes subframe. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. Remove with transmission attached. Way back in 2007, we were presented with an interesting engine swap. He is an electrical wizard. What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? used 2jz is about 3500-10000 $. Removed the front bumper, upper radiator support, radiator, condenser, and engine harness. The M104 A/C manifold's low pressure hose cannot reach the connection point at the edge of the fender on a 190E chassis. The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. A number of years back I had converted a manual 1987 W124 200 (4 cylinder carb engine) to a 3.6 HFM engine and auto trans. Will be taking it there soon so I'll post my times. Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums. I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. The turbocharger system consists of a TB90 90 mm turbocharger, 60 mm wastegate, 50 mm blowoff valve, Turbobandit intake, 90 mm throttle body, and stainless exhaust manifold. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. i'd ditch the 18's and go with 16 or 17's you really don't want to tear apart a good working 2.6 5-spd because they are getting harder and harder to come by. Power will be greater with an LS swap. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. Swapped! Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. Learn how your comment data is processed. The M104.98x introduces a new vacuum nipple. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. Heater core and radiator connections are both identical, M103 vacuum hard line fits well, 124.104 PS Pump has larger fittings 201.103 is direct replacement just swap over rear mount bracket, late model 124 AC discharge lines up with condenser..suction just needs one crimp to combine 103 upper and 104 lower half R R0BB09 E500E Newbie Aug 10, 2019 The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? Makes a fantastic daily driver. 20cm is slightly too long). Your original gearbox will work fine with the new engine, but bear in mind it's much easier to remove the gearbox and engine together than separate them in the car. You must log in or register to reply here. The car has been completely rebuilt with upgraded suspension, brakes and drift-spec steering. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. Find a decent but cheap 400e or a very cheap 500e and bite the bullet on cost upfront and invest the time to make it 'good'. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Mine isn't an LE though, just a 190e sportline. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. If you are picky about colors and options, plan on a nationwide search that may take 6 months or longer. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. Source: Nomotors.ua and Mt Nuszer via Piotr. Learn how your comment data is processed. Yup, that's John's car. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. Simply put, the M103 and M104 share the same block, primary differences are the head and the injection setup. I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. 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